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Wednesday, 31 December 2008

BTP vs. “Modern Whigs” ?

Filed under: Politics — Tags: , , , — mikewb1971 @ 12:04 AM (00:04)

Current mood: amused, intimidated (not really)

It seems that the Boston Tea Party has drawn the attention and ire of the Virgnia state affiliate of the “Modern Whig Party.”

Oh, wow, I am so . . . terrified. No, not really. I mean, come on, don’t these clowns have anything better to do with their time than attempt to whale away on another “third” party? Maybe someday they’ll get a clue and realize that all they’re doing is giving the BTP some no-cost publicity.

About the “Modern Whigs” — they’re a bunch of disaffected Republicans and Democrats attempting to unseat the Reps and Dems from their positions of power . . .  using planks cherry-picked from the Democrat and Republican platforms, mish-moshed together.

From the MWP’s national site —

The Modern Whig Party relies on common sense. The organization is the fastest-growing advocate for such issues as fiscal responsibility, strong national defense and bold social progression. We see the value of independent thinking and the danger of being limited to one distinct ideology. Since 1833, we have carried the mantle of America’s middle-of-the-road party.

That’s their distinction from the Democrats and Republicans?! The idea that they’re the “middle-of-the-road” group? What’s so special about that? Anyone can be “middle-of-the-road,” just that being so tends to get you run over by oncoming traffic from either side of that road. I suspect that being “middle-of-the-road” isn’t going to win them any elections, considering the way that the Democrats and Republicans have divided up the nation into competing fiefdoms and jealously guard their holds on the reins of power over everyone else.

I note that some in the BTP are worried about this hostile attention from the Virginia Whigs.

What sparked the ire of the Virginia Whigs was a comment by BTP refounder Jim Davidson in his BTP blog posting “In case they kill me for it”

Members of the Modern Whig party are apparently upset with me for my comments on this thread:

In particular these statements:

I find it difficult to care about unit designations and battle ribbons. My proposal would be to stop sending American troops to other countries to massacre their children and rape their women. Then there would be less need for these unit designations and campaign ribbons.

The Virginia Whigs also took exception to the next paragraph in Jim’s posting —

For their next trick, the Modern Whigs will demand campaign ribbons for DEA agents and other para military agency troopers involved in overseas suppression of trade and commerce in drugs.

by saying that “Davidson went on to malign individual DEA agents as paramilitary troopers.”

What’s wrong with that? I’ll go a step further and lump them in with the F-Troop, in that their very presence in American society should be considered an occupation of America like that of the German Schutzstaffel or the Russian Komitjet Gosudarstvjennoj Bjezopasnosti across Europe. The only real difference between the SS, KGB and the DEA and F-Troop isn’t one of operating philosophy or committment to doing the right thing on the parts of DEA and F-Troop, but of severity.

And if that wasn’t funny enough, apparently the Virginia Whigs have been told to “tone it down” by their party’s national executives. Ha ha ha — that’s a good one there — members of “America’s ‘middle of the road’ party” are getting too rambunctious for the tastes of their national executives!



  1. Actually, it wasn’t any official Whig chapter but merely one blogger from Virginia with an active readership. There are a number of bloggers out there expressing Whig ideals. So this really is BTP vs. a Blog. This brings two points:1) BTP freaked out over the contents of a BLOG 2) BTP now knows that it has NO ELECTED OFFICIALS as members so it needs to stop claiming it.

    Comment by Ratcheter — Wednesday, 31 December 2008 @ 9:35 AM (09:35)

  2. The following is an email from an elected official claimed by the BTP as a member.Hello Doug,Duval County, Florida.  I am a member of the Libertarian Party and have been for several years.   I have been wholly unaware of the controversy surrounding this issue until yesterday, when I received several emails concerning this issue.  I’m not quite sure how to put the pieces of the puzzle together, but from the best I can surmise it seems that my campaign message reached the ears of the some BTP members here in Florida, although I never spoke to any BTP groups or affiliates.  Duval County Water and Soil Conservation Board District, Group 2. non-partisan”  Libertarian Party member.  More than that I am a Region Representative with the Libertarian Party of Florida.  So, I want to make sure it is clear as to what my “official” party affiliation is.  Second, I was made aware of these remarks posted on your website, “My proposal would be to stop sending American troops to other countries to massacre their children and rape their women.”  I found this statement to be grossly offensive, but more importantly grossly inaccurate.   Wikipedia account in order to remove my name from your candidates list.  (Again, I was not aware my name was even on the Wikipedia list until last night).  As a member of the Libertarian Party, I am familiar with the BTP.  I’m sure that there are many, many issues that we can agree on.  However, statement such as the ones listed above will certainly cause a rift and alienate what would be possible allies.  Since I’m not a member of the BTP I won’t overstep my bounds by expressing my views on how your organization should run itself.  However, I think this most recent issue should cause some alarm.  I hope there are no hard feelings.  Sincerely, Jeff Hunt

    Comment by Ratcheter — Wednesday, 31 December 2008 @ 4:44 PM (16:44)

  3. @Ratcheter —  It wasn’t the BTP that freaked out over a blog, it was one member of the BTP, specifically, one Neil Kiernan Stephenson of Michigan.

    Comment by mikewb1971 — Wednesday, 31 December 2008 @ 6:48 PM (18:48)

  4. I am a friend of the person who re-stablished the Whig Party on its traditional principles in 2004, at least a year before the “Modern Whigs” were established. My friend’s Whig Website was driven off the Internet by Endres of the Virginia Modern Whigs by threat of a frivolous lawsuit for libel. The Florida Modern Whig Website, written by Fleeg, also posted the address of my friend’s elderly mother, with the implied incitement to do violence against her home and person. I suppose this is politics as usual with these types!My friend still is afraid to be named, but if you google American Whig Party, you may at least see part of the Website that was forced off the Internet by Modern Whig threats.

    Comment by changa123 — Sunday, 8 February 2009 @ 5:13 AM (05:13)

  5. I have heard directly from Boston Tea Party member Jim Casarjian Perry also known as James Reef.  He is indeed a member, and proud of it.  He was indeed a serving elected official at the time we reported it.  There is no election to replace him in office until April.  So, if there is any matter for the town council to consider, he’ll be called upon to serve, even though his term of office has technically expired.  The party did in fact endorse the election of Jeff Hunt in Duval County, Florida, and we are counting his victory as a positive.  We endorsed Jeff at the suggestion of Boston Tea Party of Florida founder and chair John Wayne Smith.  I am not impressed by anyone who abandons their web site because of a threat of a lawsuit.  I can understand being somewhat concerned by an actual lawsuit, but most such suits are in fact frivolous and easily dismissed.  The mere threat of a suit seems like an easy thing to do, and closing down and abandoning the field from a mere threat sounds like a poor way to proceed.I do think that Vincent Endres is a committed member of the Modern Whig party, based on his comments and statements.  He clearly advocates a larger government role in the auto industry.  He clearly advocates for many other larger government programs at various levels and on various issues.  Accordingly, he is not properly a member of the Boston Tea Party, and his vote in the recent election for secretary was cast under false pretenses.

    Comment by Jim Davidson — Sunday, 15 February 2009 @ 1:50 AM (01:50)

  6. The Modern Wankers that are starting up crap with the BTP can’t hold a candle to their predecessors, the American Whig Party. While there’s plenty for libertarians, BTPers and LPers, to disagree with in either the Modern Wankers or the American Whigs, at least the American Whigs had some courage, instead of the Wanker attitude of “we’re the moderates!”Give me a fucking break.

    Comment by mikewb1971 — Sunday, 15 February 2009 @ 9:22 PM (21:22)

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